Ritualist in Pvp? - Guild Wars Forums

BanaXX · Jun 12, 2006, 11:33 PM // 23:33

Hello everyone,

I have started to gvg and hoh now. But as i do that, i barely ever see ritualists, why is that so. They are pretty good support classes, but why arent they ever used. I even seen some guild battles, but rarely any guild would use a ritualist. Could someone tell me why?

Thx,
BanaXX

Xen Foranus · Jun 13, 2006, 04:47 AM // 04:47

Well imo, ritualist and assasins both make good support characters and solo characters. The ritualist provide defensive and offensive spirits and can deal damage with channeling, and if you've ever gone 1v1 with a ritualist, if you get the opportunity to lay down spirits, you can pretty much keep them up and deal damage at the same time. Assasins work really well in team builds since they keep up pressure and deal consistant damage, even though their armor is arguably noexistant. As soloists, assasins can go around pummeling individuals. If you've seen guild battles, you'll see that assasins are perfect for NPC ganking.

So to get back to your question, assassins are efficient for their ease of use and ability, while the ritualists are easier targets but can benefit the team overall with further speculation.

Opeth11 · Jun 13, 2006, 05:06 AM // 05:06

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Originally Posted by Xen Foranus

Well imo, ritualist and assasins both make good support characters and solo characters. The ritualist provide defensive and offensive spirits and can deal damage with channeling, and if you've ever gone 1v1 with a ritualist, if you get the opportunity to lay down spirits, you can pretty much keep them up and deal damage at the same time. Assasins work really well in team builds since they keep up pressure and deal consistant damage, even though their armor is arguably noexistant. As soloists, assasins can go around pummeling individuals. If you've seen guild battles, you'll see that assasins are perfect for NPC ganking.

So to get back to your question, assassins are efficient for their ease of use and ability, while the ritualists are easier targets but can benefit the team overall with further speculation.

Actually, assassins run out of energy pretty quickly. Consistant damage output and ease of use? ha. Their low armor in the midst of battle costs them quite a bit of life support. Smart players can work with them, casual players might be able to, poor performance players can't.

As for ritualists, my guess is that they can be 'squishies' in PvP and the casting times of spirits can get in the way. Strong character when it's allowed to strut his stuff, too bad the pressure from opposing teams can force the ritualist to run.

Maybe one day we will be able to see the two classes in PvP consistantly, but for now, it will pretty much be the original six classes dominating PvP.

fezpenguino · Jun 13, 2006, 06:31 AM // 06:31

Well, also it takes time to explore the classes full potential in PvP with other builds, and find something that works best for a guild. I can see Rt being used more often in GvG. Often battles can last a long time when they meet in the middle, most predominantly in the Warrior Isl. Having an Rt could just lift the ranks of that stalemate and bring one team above the other. All the while, an assassin can go around picking out the mobs around the other team's base one at a time.

Energy management is key to an assassin, but I personally have no trouble. I run with AoD so that's a 15E cost -1 e regen, but I bring Critical Eye along with me, and I also use zealous daggers. That's +3e per hit almost, plus natural regen. Hitting double hits often, that's a really quick E regen. There's also a lead attack that gives you energy if enchanted (AoD enchants you). I don't find energy management a problem.

The main trouble is finding a balance with Assassins. You can't find an equal balance where you have good defence, good e-management and good self-healing abilities, and still be able to pull your spikes off.

I can't see these classes being completely used, particularly Assassin, until they're balanced a bit more, Just keep in mind they're new classes and take time to be explored and balanced in proper testing.

kvndoom · Jun 13, 2006, 07:38 AM // 07:38

Rits can't kite too effectively due to the time it takes to cast their spells. Most classes can stop for a split second, cast a spell, then keep running, but some of those spirits take forever to put down. I found them to be nice easy targets in RA/TA.

If you play a Rit, you should choose a secondary which provides either evasive stances or interrupt prevention.

TomD22 · Jun 13, 2006, 11:50 AM // 11:50

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Originally Posted by BanaXX

rarely any guild would use a ritualist. Could someone tell me why?

With regards to top 50 guilds (i can't comment on lower ranked seeing as i don't play against them much) i'd say that about 50% of the guilds we face have a rit in their build, and we certainly often do ourselves. Shelter provides some of the best spike defence in the game (when combined with ritual lord, anyway) and union, displacement, soothing can all help reduce the pressure on your team. Shadowsong and disenchantment when placed right can annoy the hell out of the enemy, and pain or bloodsong can deal extra pressure and annoyance damage.

Slainster · Jun 13, 2006, 12:45 PM // 12:45

i thinking castine times is the factor here, a few people have mentioned how long it takes for those skills to lay down, and from exeperience in game, standing around waiting for Rt to do their thing can get tedious

Tauruse · Jun 13, 2006, 01:07 PM // 13:07

I play a R/N and I've found that what generally happens in PvP to a R.
1. No good team is going to let a R stand there and get spirit spells off.
2. If you do get a spirit spell off many times the fight has moved out of range.

Jun 12, 2006, 11:33 PM // 23:33	#1
BanaXX Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Mar 2006	Ritualist in Pvp? Hello everyone, I have started to gvg and hoh now. But as i do that, i barely ever see ritualists, why is that so. They are pretty good support classes, but why arent they ever used. I even seen some guild battles, but rarely any guild would use a ritualist. Could someone tell me why? Thx, BanaXX

Jun 13, 2006, 04:47 AM // 04:47	#2
Xen Foranus Academy Page Join Date: Jan 2006 Guild: Legion of Xen	Well imo, ritualist and assasins both make good support characters and solo characters. The ritualist provide defensive and offensive spirits and can deal damage with channeling, and if you've ever gone 1v1 with a ritualist, if you get the opportunity to lay down spirits, you can pretty much keep them up and deal damage at the same time. Assasins work really well in team builds since they keep up pressure and deal consistant damage, even though their armor is arguably noexistant. As soloists, assasins can go around pummeling individuals. If you've seen guild battles, you'll see that assasins are perfect for NPC ganking. So to get back to your question, assassins are efficient for their ease of use and ability, while the ritualists are easier targets but can benefit the team overall with further speculation.

Jun 13, 2006, 06:31 AM // 06:31	#4
fezpenguino Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: England Guild: HoB Profession: Mo/W	Well, also it takes time to explore the classes full potential in PvP with other builds, and find something that works best for a guild. I can see Rt being used more often in GvG. Often battles can last a long time when they meet in the middle, most predominantly in the Warrior Isl. Having an Rt could just lift the ranks of that stalemate and bring one team above the other. All the while, an assassin can go around picking out the mobs around the other team's base one at a time. Energy management is key to an assassin, but I personally have no trouble. I run with AoD so that's a 15E cost -1 e regen, but I bring Critical Eye along with me, and I also use zealous daggers. That's +3e per hit almost, plus natural regen. Hitting double hits often, that's a really quick E regen. There's also a lead attack that gives you energy if enchanted (AoD enchants you). I don't find energy management a problem. The main trouble is finding a balance with Assassins. You can't find an equal balance where you have good defence, good e-management and good self-healing abilities, and still be able to pull your spikes off. I can't see these classes being completely used, particularly Assassin, until they're balanced a bit more, Just keep in mind they're new classes and take time to be explored and balanced in proper testing.

Jun 13, 2006, 07:38 AM // 07:38	#5
kvndoom Forge Runner Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Communistwealth of Virginia Guild: Uninstalled Profession: W/Mo	Rits can't kite too effectively due to the time it takes to cast their spells. Most classes can stop for a split second, cast a spell, then keep running, but some of those spirits take forever to put down. I found them to be nice easy targets in RA/TA. If you play a Rit, you should choose a secondary which provides either evasive stances or interrupt prevention.

Jun 13, 2006, 12:45 PM // 12:45	#7
Slainster Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Feb 2006	i thinking castine times is the factor here, a few people have mentioned how long it takes for those skills to lay down, and from exeperience in game, standing around waiting for Rt to do their thing can get tedious

Jun 13, 2006, 01:07 PM // 13:07	#8
Tauruse Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jun 2006 Guild: Wars of Lima Profession: Rt/N	I play a R/N and I've found that what generally happens in PvP to a R. 1. No good team is going to let a R stand there and get spirit spells off. 2. If you do get a spirit spell off many times the fight has moved out of range.